the frelling link. Sorry about that. My head was full of Weird Perversities this morning. Anyway,

Also, I'm snurching this next bit from

My own magickal inquiries have been curtailed by my workload and the glumness that winter brings, but this is headed, essentially, in the direction I was headed, only I'll never be a good enough mathematician to be a very good magickian. Also, this last bit from brokensymmetry, which says it all:

I suppose the whole eBay thing might go better if I'd provided *Silk*for only ten dollars. Check it out.Also, I'm snurching this next bit from

**brokensymmetry**, because I liked it and think it should be read by more people, and I figure it's fair, since he said I played a role in the formation of these thoughts:*The idea stated bluntly is this: the right mathematical language with which to describe magick, assuming you want to describe magick mathematically, would seem to be category theory.*

Of course this may be because category theory is the right mathematical language with which to describe everything. It's becoming increasingly important to pure math, physics (including string theory), computer science, and so on.

But I can't explain the idea without explaining category theory, which I have neither the time nor skill to do, and there don't seem to be any good online introductions. And it doesn't help that my understanding of the subject is still very rudimentary.

What I can say is that a lot of magick seems to me to be about defining some sort of equivalences between things (sephiroth, colors, elements, major arcana, deities, etc) and the relationships and processes between things (what is done to the voodoo doll will happen to the person). In particular these equivalences are not equalities but some sort of "equality with regards to a particular attribute or structure." Category theory is all about modeling mappings between things, processes and equivalences in an abstract and general way.

For fans of "Full Metal Alchemist," the law of equivalent exchange could be rephrased as "the only transformations allowed by alchemy are isomorphisms".Of course this may be because category theory is the right mathematical language with which to describe everything. It's becoming increasingly important to pure math, physics (including string theory), computer science, and so on.

But I can't explain the idea without explaining category theory, which I have neither the time nor skill to do, and there don't seem to be any good online introductions. And it doesn't help that my understanding of the subject is still very rudimentary.

What I can say is that a lot of magick seems to me to be about defining some sort of equivalences between things (sephiroth, colors, elements, major arcana, deities, etc) and the relationships and processes between things (what is done to the voodoo doll will happen to the person). In particular these equivalences are not equalities but some sort of "equality with regards to a particular attribute or structure." Category theory is all about modeling mappings between things, processes and equivalences in an abstract and general way.

For fans of "Full Metal Alchemist," the law of equivalent exchange could be rephrased as "the only transformations allowed by alchemy are isomorphisms".

My own magickal inquiries have been curtailed by my workload and the glumness that winter brings, but this is headed, essentially, in the direction I was headed, only I'll never be a good enough mathematician to be a very good magickian. Also, this last bit from brokensymmetry, which says it all:

*[I should also add by way of clarification that I'm quite prepared to believe magick works, but only for suitable definitions of magick best exemplified by a bit from one of Terry Pratchett's novels where Magrat has fallen off her broom and performs a spell which changes her from a panicked, terrified woman plummeting towards the ground into a calm, rational woman plummeting towards the ground.]*- Current Mood: geeky
- Current Music:Bel Canto, "White-Out Conditions"

## Comments

greylitTimaeusand the Receptacle, or chaos, is divided up by the Demiurge into a series of numbers seperated by averages and harmonic proportions. Mmmmmm.Well, anyway, thanks for the post. Interesting stuff.

listeningowlWiccans call it the law of sympathetic magick. no voodoo doll needed. (well not necessarily)

brokensymmetryI'll never be a good enough mathematician to be a very good magickian.In one of the iterations of this post I wondered whether thinking this way would help or hinder magickal practice. Once a mapping has been chosen I would think the ability to write an emotionally evocative spell or ritual around the correspondences would be of more use than being able to prove theorems about them.

There's another thought I'm grasping for here but can't quite reach. When it was believed that the ultimate mysteries of the universe were written in Latin, Greek and Hebrew these were the natural languages for use in magick — but would an effective magickian necessarily be fluent in these languages? Or would fluency take away some of the occult mystique, and hence some of the power? How does this all translate to an age where the mysteries are written in equations?

greygirlbeastOnce a mapping has been chosen I would think the ability to write an emotionally evocative spell or ritual around the correspondences would be of more use than being able to prove theorems about them.&

When it was believed that the ultimate mysteries of the universe were written in Latin, Greek and Hebrew these were the natural languages for use in magick — but would an effective magickian necessarily be fluent in these languages? Or would fluency take away some of the occult mystique, and hence some of the power? How does this all translate to an age where the mysteries are written in equations?I'm processing all this. I had some important thoughts on it yesterday, after I made the post. Hopefully, I can get to it soon.