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Howard Hughes is Allergic to the Stupid

Geoffrey (readingthedark) is back in Framingham now. Unfortunately, I may never wake up.

In a comment to yesterday entry, Chris (scarletboi) wrote:

I keep running into people saying (of the Evelyn Evelyn kerfluffle) that fiction must be consensual.

And I have no fucking idea what this means, "fictional must be consensual." I suppose I could waste part of my life googling to find out, but if it means anything close to what Spooky says she thinks it means...I honestly don't want to know. I really do fear that the world is getting too stupid for me to participate.

Maybe it's time to cut my losses and gracefully bow out.

Yesterday, the ice began to crack, the ice in my skull, and I started a new piece called "Persephone Redux," though I only wrote 600 words. Alas, I may be spending all of today in bed trying to recover from insomnia and other nonconsensual crimes that have recently been wrought upon my mind and body.

Comments

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gargirl
Feb. 19th, 2010 05:54 pm (UTC)
Fiction does not have to be consensual... whatever the fuck that means. I think they might mean that if people don't know it's fiction it's fraud or something. War of the Worlds freaked some people out but it was awesome and it was fiction. bleh. People are stupid. So so stupid.
blakesrealm
Feb. 20th, 2010 01:47 am (UTC)
If someone pulled a War of the Worlds today they'd be locked up and shipped off to Guantanamo as a terrorist threatening the well-being of the children.

Sigh.
mrs_ralph
Feb. 19th, 2010 05:55 pm (UTC)
If they ever get around to putting a tax on stupid the governments of the world will never have to worry about money again.

As for consensual fiction all I can say is WTF? I have no idea what that means nor do I have any need to know. It is obviously made up by people who don't have anything better to do than complain about something that has absolutely no bearing on the price of eggs in China and will be a mere blip on the radar in 100 years.
robyn_ma
Feb. 19th, 2010 06:05 pm (UTC)
'Non-consensual fiction' is apparently rape-fantasy fiction, so consensual fiction would be ... the opposite of that? I dunno.
cucumberseed
Feb. 19th, 2010 06:06 pm (UTC)
fictional must be consensual

Is this from RPG forums? I could sort of see it there, but elsewhere... what the hell is that?

I think Evelyn Evelyn sounds like a really bad idea, that no amount of execution is going to make a good idea, but consensual fiction? How can something be consensual if it is not interactive? How does that even work?

Sorry I know you have no answers for these things, but damn.
greygirlbeast
Feb. 19th, 2010 06:07 pm (UTC)

I think Evelyn Evelyn sounds like a really bad idea

I cannot even begin to imagine why you think this. I think it's a marvelous idea. But we're not going to have that argument.
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scarletboi
Feb. 19th, 2010 06:12 pm (UTC)
Their belief is that fiction must present itself AS fiction. The audience must knowingly participate in the fiction, otherwise it's a lie, a hoax.

To them, it's part of the creator/consumer contract that they can't be led into the story under the false assumption that what they're about to experience is true.

Forget that one look at Evelyn Evelyn makes it blatantly obvious that it's Amanda and Jason.
greygirlbeast
Feb. 19th, 2010 07:39 pm (UTC)

To them, it's part of the creator/consumer contract that they can't be led into the story under the false assumption that what they're about to experience is true.

And as you know, I have always denied the validity of this so-called "writer/reader contract," or "creator/consumer," or whatever. I have no contracts with anyone but my publisher.

Forget that one look at Evelyn Evelyn makes it blatantly obvious that it's Amanda and Jason.

That's one of the aspects of this I can't get past.
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kambriel
Feb. 19th, 2010 07:25 pm (UTC)
This is... Spinal Tap. (I mean Evelyn Evelyn.)
I started posting a comment which ended up becoming a post in itself.

I wish we could talk about this in person... so many thoughts.
greygirlbeast
Feb. 19th, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC)
Re: This is... Spinal Tap. (I mean Evelyn Evelyn.)

I wish we could talk about this in person... so many thoughts.

Yeah...but I read your post. Good job.
fornikate
Feb. 19th, 2010 08:56 pm (UTC)
The only thing I'm going to say is that I wish people would get past the idea that doing something without malicious intent excuses the harm that it does.
mckenzie34
Feb. 19th, 2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
Okay, I'll buy that line of thought, if and only if, we are also apply it to religion.
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seph_ski
Feb. 19th, 2010 09:11 pm (UTC)
Maybe it's time to cut my losses and gracefully bow out.

No, please no! Then the bland, hipster, PC, brainless, mushy masses win.

Art needs to be provocative, and big girls and boys need to grow tougher skin and realize that life isn't all cotton-candy unicorns wanting to snuggle. Honest to goddess, people are getting so spoon-fed and soft that extinction can't be far off now, and that's more and more a comforting thought.
ardiril
Feb. 19th, 2010 09:34 pm (UTC)
Then the bland, hipster, PC, brainless, mushy masses win.

Is that the case here? My impression is that this is a very small yet vocal minority of extremists.
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stsisyphus
Feb. 19th, 2010 10:49 pm (UTC)
Maybe it's time to cut my losses and gracefully bow out.

I think that discretion is the better part of valor on this one, Ms. K. All this is gonna do is cause more turmoil for you and that, nixar, is shit you don't need.

Go grind up some murloccs. Find the story. Upload yr consciousness into Insilico and fuckabunchabullshit.
greygirlbeast
Feb. 19th, 2010 11:00 pm (UTC)

Nothing there I can really disagree with.
omika_pearl
Feb. 20th, 2010 07:17 pm (UTC)
Most people are completely corporeal creatures that have misguided notions of what "reality" is. For all their boo-hooing and carrying on about how much they hate deception, it's interesting how they so eagerly delude themselves and seek escapism.

Fiction is whatever you need it to be. If my life is good, but based on a "lie" (by the standards of the majority), I could care less.

As someone earlier said, though, this appears to be an especially stupid and vocal minority. The stupid ones always scream the loudest.
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