One of the weirdest things (sensu Lovecraft et al.) about the move from Atlanta to Providence is trying to get used to the much earlier sunrise, brought about not so much by being nearer the eastern border of the Eastern Time Zone (presently EDT), but being at such a higher latitude. For example, tomorrow morning, in Atlanta the sun will "rise" (a misnomer and an optical illusion, of course) at 6:26 a.m. and set at 8:49 p.m. Yet here in Rhode Island, in Providence, the sun will rise at 5:10 a.m. and set at 8:22 p.m. The sunset differential is not so severe —— only twenty-seven minutes —— but the sunrise differential is far greater, a full hour and sixteen minutes. I first noted this in 2006, but it caught me off guard early this morning, when, at 3:45 a.m. Spooky said I should get to bed soon or the sun would be up. Weird. I think I went to bed about 4 a.m., and was asleep almost at once.
Yesterday, finally, I had something resembling a "normal" writing day. I thank the cooler weather, more than anything. I don't believe the thermostat went much higher than about 83F (and I had Dr. Muñoz in the office for a brief spell, so it was quite a bit cooler in here). I wrote 1,165 words on "The Melusine" for Sirenia Digest #31. That's a very decent, if not spectacular, writing day. Word count-wise. Of course, word count is only one way of measuring how successful any given writing day is, and it may be, truthfully, the least important. What matters is that I like what I wrote yesterday, that it was written well, and that I shall not have to do any significant revision on it.
And this brings us back around to the story I linked to yesterday about writers, even us mid-list types, being pushed to churn out a novel a year and the possible effect of this industry demand on quality. By the way, if you're trying to break into this market, if you think you want to be a working author (i.e., an author whose sole income is herhisits income derived from fiction sales, which means largely novel sales), you really, really ought to read this article. Anyway, yesterday
jtglover commented:
I read that article and enjoyed it. I found it via a link that indicated that there had been some grousing in some writerly corners of the blogosphere about the article. I'm sure that there are people, even now, complaining about the audacity of any writer to demand the time to try to create art instead of just cranking out the closest-to-good story possible in the super-tight timeframes that All Real, Professional Writers deal with constantly. I get that there are regular timeframes involved when dealing with publishers and contracts and such, but it seems to me that little is more corrosive to a writer than to be told always to hurry, because nobody gets it right anyway, and who's foolish enough to try to "write well" anyway?
To which I replied, Nice. I may address this tomorrow. To which Mr. Glover replied:
I don't want to come across as a sycophant, but that would mean a lot to me. Right now I'm struggling through the first draft of what I hope will be my first completed novel, and I'm regularly torn about how quickly to write. Slowly (4-800 words/day) means I can get inside the characters' heads more easily, but I'm afraid of losing momentum. Quickly (800-1600 words/day) means I finish sooner and can "fix it" in the second draft, but the characters rarely come to life when I'm moving at that pace.
All I can do, of course, is write about this problem from the perspective afforded by my personal experience. I think of myself as a slow writer, though, often, I seem wildly productive. When I was writing for DC/Vertigo, for example, expected to produce a script a month, I sometimes would write three a month. Back then, my daily word count, on novels and short fiction was about 500 words/day. These days, it's up to about twice that, about 1,100 words on average, and my all-time record is something like 2,800 words in a single day. Anyway, yes, all in all, though I write a lot (because I do little else), I write rather slowly, and it is very, very hard, if not impossible, to do this book-a-year nonsense. Partly, this is because I do not write in drafts. I write a single draft, to which I make line edits. That's almost always been the case. What I write the first time around is usually what shows up on the printed page —— usually. First and second and third drafts are fine for people who need to write that way, but it's not the way I taught myself to write. I work on a sentence until it's as close to perfect as I can get it. Same for any given paragraph, and then I move along to the next. Does this slow me down? I don't know, because, after all, it seems to me loads of time is wasted in rewrites by authors who have learned to write in multiple drafts. Below is a list of my novels, to date, and how long I took to write each one:
The Five of Cups (nine months, '92-'93)
Silk (twenty-eight months, '93-'96)
Threshold (twenty-two months, '98-'00)
Low Red Moon (eight months, '01-02)
Murder of Angels (A complicated one, as I started it in '01, then shelved it, and went back to work on the ms. in '03, finishing it that year; offhand, I do not know how long it actually took me to write, but it required about three years to complete the finished ms.)
Daughter of Hounds (about fifteen months, '04-'06)
Beowulf (all told, about three months, '06-07, though the forced rewrites — the "Mordorian Death March" — went on for another three or four months afterwards; and yes, it was a better book before those rewrites)
Now, here you see a great degree of variation, from Silk, at twenty-eight months, to the Beowulf novelization, at maybe three months (I would disqualify the latter, as I was working from a shooting script for the movie and also had numerous earlier drafts of the script and the source material to guide me). Also, my novels usually start out slow, the writing of them, and then I end up doing the bulk of a ms. in the last four or five months, as the pieces fall into place. Point being, for me, the time varies wildly. And I would say, it's all about the time I need to write the book the way it needs to be written. Trying to force a writer to write faster is, in my opinion, idiotic, and it will almost always result in a compromise in quality. I write novels, and whether you think they are good novels or bad novels or mediocre novels, they are novels, not product. This is not manufacturing. There is no assembly line. There is what my mind can do, given the strictures of my health (both mental and physical) and other non-writing concerns and interferences. That's all I can do. If that's not good enough, I'm screwed. So far, it's worked out, though I know my editor would be happier if I could produce more regularly. I know my agent worries about this. I know, in a sense, it has held me back from gaining a wider audience. But it's the best I can do, which is all that can ever be fairly asked of any artist. So, when all is said and done, my advice is take the time you need. Artistically, getting it right is more important than getting it published, even if it means you'll never be published.
However, those of us who have —— I would say unwisely —— chosen fiction writing as a career must to some degree cater to the needs (or perceived needs) of our publishers and readers, and the deadlines they set for us. It is, I would say, a necessary evil, that schedule that comes along with contracts and an audience and money and promotion and actual, printed books. In an ideal world, readers (who i will never, ever call "consumers"), would understand that any given book requires X amount of time to be written, X being an indeterminable variable. So would publishers. And they would be patient and give us the time that is required. This, you do not need me to tell you, is hardly an ideal world. And a working writer must accept these deadlines, on some level, or get out of the game. Unless you're Thomas Pynchon. It's not an issue of whether the publishers are right or wrong. If you are lucky enough to have a publisher (and it is, mostly, luck, luck and perseverance), and if that's where some large percentage of the money that pays your bills comes from, then you accept this and live with it as best you can. I cannot produce a book a year, but I do try. After all, if I could write simply 500 words a day (my old standard), I could write a 100,000-word novel in only 200 days, easy as pie. Much less than a year. Of course, it's not really about the time it takes to put the words down on paper, but the time it takes to find the words in your mind, and there's the wicked, wicked catch.
Not much to say for yesterday, beyond the writing. The cool air was greatly appreciated. I went with Spooky to the market. Pasta salad for dinner. A great deal of unpacking, finally. Just after midnight, I allowed myself to go on Second Life, and I spent most of that time in the library in Toxia, in my usual place on the sofa. That was yesterday. And I need to wrap this up, but I wanted to mention that late today or sometime tonight or maybe tomorrow, I'll be starting our Queerest Auction Ever (QAE; but not, sadly, in the homosexual sense of the word "queer"), which will be two flaps (auctioned seperately) from cardboard boxes used in the move. Bored, I drew on each before we left Atlanta. Monster doodles. Seems a shame to throw them out, especially given how much more the move cost than we'd expected. I'll keep you posted, natch. Also, I want to repost the link to Spooky's Amazon wish list. Her birthday is June 24th this year. And every other year, I suppose...

Yesterday, finally, I had something resembling a "normal" writing day. I thank the cooler weather, more than anything. I don't believe the thermostat went much higher than about 83F (and I had Dr. Muñoz in the office for a brief spell, so it was quite a bit cooler in here). I wrote 1,165 words on "The Melusine" for Sirenia Digest #31. That's a very decent, if not spectacular, writing day. Word count-wise. Of course, word count is only one way of measuring how successful any given writing day is, and it may be, truthfully, the least important. What matters is that I like what I wrote yesterday, that it was written well, and that I shall not have to do any significant revision on it.
And this brings us back around to the story I linked to yesterday about writers, even us mid-list types, being pushed to churn out a novel a year and the possible effect of this industry demand on quality. By the way, if you're trying to break into this market, if you think you want to be a working author (i.e., an author whose sole income is herhisits income derived from fiction sales, which means largely novel sales), you really, really ought to read this article. Anyway, yesterday
I read that article and enjoyed it. I found it via a link that indicated that there had been some grousing in some writerly corners of the blogosphere about the article. I'm sure that there are people, even now, complaining about the audacity of any writer to demand the time to try to create art instead of just cranking out the closest-to-good story possible in the super-tight timeframes that All Real, Professional Writers deal with constantly. I get that there are regular timeframes involved when dealing with publishers and contracts and such, but it seems to me that little is more corrosive to a writer than to be told always to hurry, because nobody gets it right anyway, and who's foolish enough to try to "write well" anyway?
To which I replied, Nice. I may address this tomorrow. To which Mr. Glover replied:
I don't want to come across as a sycophant, but that would mean a lot to me. Right now I'm struggling through the first draft of what I hope will be my first completed novel, and I'm regularly torn about how quickly to write. Slowly (4-800 words/day) means I can get inside the characters' heads more easily, but I'm afraid of losing momentum. Quickly (800-1600 words/day) means I finish sooner and can "fix it" in the second draft, but the characters rarely come to life when I'm moving at that pace.
All I can do, of course, is write about this problem from the perspective afforded by my personal experience. I think of myself as a slow writer, though, often, I seem wildly productive. When I was writing for DC/Vertigo, for example, expected to produce a script a month, I sometimes would write three a month. Back then, my daily word count, on novels and short fiction was about 500 words/day. These days, it's up to about twice that, about 1,100 words on average, and my all-time record is something like 2,800 words in a single day. Anyway, yes, all in all, though I write a lot (because I do little else), I write rather slowly, and it is very, very hard, if not impossible, to do this book-a-year nonsense. Partly, this is because I do not write in drafts. I write a single draft, to which I make line edits. That's almost always been the case. What I write the first time around is usually what shows up on the printed page —— usually. First and second and third drafts are fine for people who need to write that way, but it's not the way I taught myself to write. I work on a sentence until it's as close to perfect as I can get it. Same for any given paragraph, and then I move along to the next. Does this slow me down? I don't know, because, after all, it seems to me loads of time is wasted in rewrites by authors who have learned to write in multiple drafts. Below is a list of my novels, to date, and how long I took to write each one:
The Five of Cups (nine months, '92-'93)
Silk (twenty-eight months, '93-'96)
Threshold (twenty-two months, '98-'00)
Low Red Moon (eight months, '01-02)
Murder of Angels (A complicated one, as I started it in '01, then shelved it, and went back to work on the ms. in '03, finishing it that year; offhand, I do not know how long it actually took me to write, but it required about three years to complete the finished ms.)
Daughter of Hounds (about fifteen months, '04-'06)
Beowulf (all told, about three months, '06-07, though the forced rewrites — the "Mordorian Death March" — went on for another three or four months afterwards; and yes, it was a better book before those rewrites)
Now, here you see a great degree of variation, from Silk, at twenty-eight months, to the Beowulf novelization, at maybe three months (I would disqualify the latter, as I was working from a shooting script for the movie and also had numerous earlier drafts of the script and the source material to guide me). Also, my novels usually start out slow, the writing of them, and then I end up doing the bulk of a ms. in the last four or five months, as the pieces fall into place. Point being, for me, the time varies wildly. And I would say, it's all about the time I need to write the book the way it needs to be written. Trying to force a writer to write faster is, in my opinion, idiotic, and it will almost always result in a compromise in quality. I write novels, and whether you think they are good novels or bad novels or mediocre novels, they are novels, not product. This is not manufacturing. There is no assembly line. There is what my mind can do, given the strictures of my health (both mental and physical) and other non-writing concerns and interferences. That's all I can do. If that's not good enough, I'm screwed. So far, it's worked out, though I know my editor would be happier if I could produce more regularly. I know my agent worries about this. I know, in a sense, it has held me back from gaining a wider audience. But it's the best I can do, which is all that can ever be fairly asked of any artist. So, when all is said and done, my advice is take the time you need. Artistically, getting it right is more important than getting it published, even if it means you'll never be published.
However, those of us who have —— I would say unwisely —— chosen fiction writing as a career must to some degree cater to the needs (or perceived needs) of our publishers and readers, and the deadlines they set for us. It is, I would say, a necessary evil, that schedule that comes along with contracts and an audience and money and promotion and actual, printed books. In an ideal world, readers (who i will never, ever call "consumers"), would understand that any given book requires X amount of time to be written, X being an indeterminable variable. So would publishers. And they would be patient and give us the time that is required. This, you do not need me to tell you, is hardly an ideal world. And a working writer must accept these deadlines, on some level, or get out of the game. Unless you're Thomas Pynchon. It's not an issue of whether the publishers are right or wrong. If you are lucky enough to have a publisher (and it is, mostly, luck, luck and perseverance), and if that's where some large percentage of the money that pays your bills comes from, then you accept this and live with it as best you can. I cannot produce a book a year, but I do try. After all, if I could write simply 500 words a day (my old standard), I could write a 100,000-word novel in only 200 days, easy as pie. Much less than a year. Of course, it's not really about the time it takes to put the words down on paper, but the time it takes to find the words in your mind, and there's the wicked, wicked catch.
Not much to say for yesterday, beyond the writing. The cool air was greatly appreciated. I went with Spooky to the market. Pasta salad for dinner. A great deal of unpacking, finally. Just after midnight, I allowed myself to go on Second Life, and I spent most of that time in the library in Toxia, in my usual place on the sofa. That was yesterday. And I need to wrap this up, but I wanted to mention that late today or sometime tonight or maybe tomorrow, I'll be starting our Queerest Auction Ever (QAE; but not, sadly, in the homosexual sense of the word "queer"), which will be two flaps (auctioned seperately) from cardboard boxes used in the move. Bored, I drew on each before we left Atlanta. Monster doodles. Seems a shame to throw them out, especially given how much more the move cost than we'd expected. I'll keep you posted, natch. Also, I want to repost the link to Spooky's Amazon wish list. Her birthday is June 24th this year. And every other year, I suppose...
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Comments
As for the book schedules, get used to more of the same. What's left out is that a lot of this is being driven by bookstores desperately searching for the next Harry Potter phenomenon that will get people who otherwise don't buy books into bookstore. Borders will most likely be dead by Labor Day (the president of the hedge fund that owns a third of Borders is actually begging Amazon to buy the company and run Borders as a brick-and-mortar outlet for Amazon, as if Amazon needs any of that grief), and Barnes & Noble rank and file is constantly being pushed and pushed hard to increase sales at individual stores. As for the nationwide Frumpy Fiftysomething's Used Books and Quiet Desperation Emporium franchises, their owners would be thrilled to have anything as a promotion that didn't involve "2 for 1" and "Going Out Of Business" banners. They'd all be thrilled to point to books coming out on a regular schedule from big authors, especially after listening to months of whining and bitching from "customers" (you know, the ones who park in the store and read books all day but who never actually bother to purchase anything) about the slightest delay. How dare authors not get with the game and help them out?
Me, cynical about what the publishing industry is going to look like in a year? Naah. I can tell you that when things are looking so bad that PublishAmerica is suing online critics of the company because they're driving off potential business, the impending crash is going to be interesting. A lot of existing writers and more than a few editors are going to be unscathed, but I wouldn't even pretend to know what's going to happen as far as distribution and promotion are concerned.
Even "worse" than here.
They'd all be thrilled to point to books coming out on a regular schedule from big authors, especially after listening to months of whining and bitching from "customers" (you know, the ones who park in the store and read books all day but who never actually bother to purchase anything) about the slightest delay. How dare authors not get with the game and help them out?
It's like they equate books with televisions shows, books with seasons of a series...
I'm sure there are actual ghostwriters out there, but there also seem to be an awful lot of "collaborations" by former greats who have partnered with... complete unknowns. Now, it's possible some of these are genuine mentoring partnerships, but I've read some articles (and heard stories) that suggest it's more of a ghostwriting thing.
Now, it's possible some of these are genuine mentoring partnerships, but I've read some articles (and heard stories) that suggest it's more of a ghostwriting thing.
Yep.
*cough*Tekwar*cough*
*snork*
This boggles my mind. There are enough authors out there to supply me with more reading material than I could ever possibly hope to actually read.
Also, I was freaked out to be visiting a friend in Boston, wake up in broad daylight and look at the clock which said 4:30...AM.
We should all be so fortunate as Charles Frazier, who was given $13 million and eight years to complete a follow-up to COLD MOUNTAIN.
We should all be so fortunate as Charles Frazier, who was given $13 million and eight years to complete a follow-up to COLD MOUNTAIN.
...Fuck.
Not you, Caitlin. Not you at ALL ...
Hey. Wait. I can whore. (begins practising Chiana tick)
Edited at 2008-06-12 07:05 pm (UTC)
There are exceptions to this, of course, with both writers and musicians. But they're rare these days. Usually it takes success and money to be able to create a work of art that comes closest to what's in your head, thanks to having more time to allow those seeds to bloom.
There is certainly a balance between deadlines and inspiration for artists.
Thanks for the link and comments- good things to consider- from a valid perspective.
What you say about taking the time you need is encouraging. I set myself a somewhat arbitrary deadline a few months back, X words in Y months = done by August, or September at latest. Seeing that Silk took twenty-eight months to write, I am going to to try to relax a little more. Today I wrote by hand, slowly, and there were nuances of description that don't come when I'm blazing through at high speed, and it seems like it can be harder to vivify later drafts -- the words of the previous one sometimes have a tendency to ossify in my mind. At the end of the day, I think I'd rather have a good novel. Thank you for the advice, and reminding me of how important it is to try to write well.
However responsible, literate, or conscientious the buyer, it's a terrifying thought.
Yes, it is.
Thank you for the advice, and reminding me of how important it is to try to write well.
You are very welcome.
Thanks though, for writing -- loud and clear -- what we all know as writers but is hard for those not "burdened" with the craft to comprehend. I say burdened, because every day I do not write is one filled with anxiousness, self-loathing and disappointment.
I envy that you have, as you say, unwisely chosen what you have. It is you, and others who have made the same choice, that give me hope, determination and even muse to work towards doing the same.
I attempted in '06 to write a 'draft' and then go back and fix things a second and third time, on my first even seemingly marketable, albeit embarrassing commercial fiction work. It was not a natural way to write for me. I much prefer to make that sentence, sentences, paragraphs, chapters, entire book, work the first time around as best as possible. From my mind to the page.
/thanks.
You're welcome.
May I steal that icon (with due credit, of course)?
Spent there two hours myself, in a chat. Totally unplanned.
Sadly this was the most fun time in my young SL existance.
Toxia and Babbage are rather deserted my time of the day.
Thanks for your post about "writing/creative speed".
It is indeed a diabolical constrait between artistic need for time and commercial rate for high output.
For an author i love to read i'd rather endure the pain of waiting for years for herhisits next book than getting shit.
And as long as you dont break deadlines in a way Douglas Adams did...so as long as Spooky doesnt have to lock you into an empty room that has nothing more than paper and a typewriter...
everything is fine.
Of course everybody here can't wait to read what you write these days.
And as long as you dont break deadlines in a way Douglas Adams did...so as long as Spooky doesnt have to lock you into an empty room that has nothing more than paper and a typewriter...
everything is fine.
I fear I am approaching that point.
Victor Hugo used to have her servants take his clothes, too, so he couldn't leave ...
So I have read.
Part of me thinks that the only thng that would stop you would be the thought of embarrassing Spooky.
yes, it was a better book before those rewrites
Potentially dangerous thought: are you allowed to post samples of that writing, pre- and post-rewrite? Or would that violate your contract to the "Give back our money" point?
Potentially dangerous thought: are you allowed to post samples of that writing, pre- and post-rewrite? Or would that violate your contract to the "Give back our money" point?
There's nothing to stop me from showing the earlier drafts to someone, I just can't sell or publish it.
Will have to open Amazon upon return to my library, as the evil corporate seers do not allow me on evil Amazon here in the cube farm.
I fear, however, many more of us are indebted to her.
Undoubtedly.
http://wyrdstuff.com/?p=1120
She wasn't too keen on Toxia, she said she ran into too many idiots there.
SL has the potential for great RP, but it seems to be so elusive. Annoying!
This is one of the greatest frustrations in my life, right now.
She wasn't too keen on Toxia, she said she ran into too many idiots there.
M'yep.
I was invited to RP in a Gorean sim by a girl I know.... I was honest, "I don't see the attraction of Gor." She agreed that it wasn't the best environment but said "it's the only real RP I can find that I can rely on not to go belly up."
For some reason, the Gorean sims just work. And they have a certain elegance to them, despite all the ripped pecs and manly sexism and crap. The most interesting bits of a Gor are the rather surprisingly complex relations between different slave casts, free women, and Panthers (militant, tribal free women).
Edited at 2008-06-13 12:04 am (UTC)